I’m thrilled that some of the Asphalt Jesus study groups have not only been conversing over issues of faith within their groups but are, more and more, extending the conversation out to the blog. Quite a number of questions have come in over the last two days. I’ll take the next several days to address them, starting with this one from the Waterstraat group:
We are all very open to loving and respecting people of all beliefs and open to believing that the question of salvation is God’s decision and not ours. We believe that God loves all people, and that the “deadline” for truly accepting God’s grace doesn’t need to be bounded by our human life on earth just as our human understanding of “seven days” doesn’t in any way necessarily correlate with God’s view of time. Some of us though are troubled somewhat in that we also want to stand up and state with authority, “I believe in God the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, AND in Jesus Christ, his only Son our Lord!” In other words, we do believe that God loves all people and offers salvation to all people, and we do believe that we aren’t the ones who get to determine the timeline, but we also believe that Jesus is the key, and we don’t want to throw Him under the bus or lose sight of Him in this. How do we, for example, say to our many devout Jewish friends, “I believe that God loves you and offers salvation for you just as He does for me, but I believe that that path to salvation is through Jesus?”
What a great set of question (or set of questions, really)! We’ll all be addressing the relationship between Christianity and other faiths when the groups move into Chapter 4 (“Jesus First Baptist Church) and Affirmation 1. However, for the time being, let me focus on one particular statement made above. Your group expresses a desire to “stand up and state with authority” that “I believe in God … and in Jesus Christ, his only Son our Lord.”
Readers familiar with the Apostle’s Creed will recognize these words, as they come straight from it and are recited by Lutherans, Episcopalians, Catholics and others a weekly basis in worship. Yet, I note that you only cite the first couple lines of the Apostle’s Creed. Was this for brevity’s sake, or was it because the Creed in its entirety does not express what you truly believe? For instance, the very next line of the Creed states, “He [Jesus] was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.” Does belief in the virgin birth elicit the same desire to stand up and speak with authority? How about the Creed’s articulated belief in hell, the second coming, or the physical, bodily resurrection of believers?
I’m not suggesting that all members of the study group will object logically or theologically to all of the Creed’s beliefs, but I suspect that agreement breaks down rapidly the further one moves into the Creed. Even in churches where the Creed is stated each week (Lutheran, Episcopalian, Catholic, etc), I find it hard to find a single person who affirms all the Creed’s statements. Members will tell me privately something to the effect of, “Of course, I don’t actually believe all this [nudge, nudge, wink, wink] … but it’s our tradition … it’s The Creed.” I don’t know about you, but I don’t find it particularly amusing to stand before God in worship as a congregation on a weekly basis and publicly lie.
I may appear a bit “off topic” here, with respect to your question, but your stated desire is to “state with authority” a the portion of the Apostle’s Creed that states a belief in God and Jesus. Yet upon what does this desired authority rest? On the authority of the Creed? If so, then the Creed would demand ascription to ALL of its statements, not just certain ones. That’s what Creeds are about. Creeds serve as tests of faith, as opposed to Affirmations, which serve as testimonies of faith. Creeds serve to judge who is a “legitimate” Christian or member of a church and who is not. You can literally be kicked out of certain churches, or excommunicated, for refusal to recognize the authority of the Creed. By contrast, Affirmations have no authority beyond personal faith statement. No one can use a set of Affirmations (Phoenix Affirmations or otherwise) as a basis for judging the legitimacy of anyone’s faith. There is no authority beyond, “This I believe …”
In other words, the Phoenix Affirmations, like other Affirmations such as the United Church of Christ’s “Statement of Faith,” base their only authority on the experience and beliefs of the person making them, and nothing else. This isn’t much authority! But ask yourself, how much more authority would you really like, and at what cost to yourself … and others?
The Phoenix Affirmations do, in fact, assert a belief in God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. The Affirmations also state that we who ascribe to them them “walk fully in the path of Jesus.” Where the Affirmations stop short is in the statement that anyone beyond ourselves must believe in these things. Surely, and hopefully, a great many more people do believe them. Yet because there is no requirement to do so, this means that no one needs to feel pressured to affirm them. No one need pretend to ascribe to these beliefs in order to become or remain an active member of any church or faith gathering, and thus the only people who state them publicly are those who truly believe them.
This principle gives the Phoenix Affirmations and others like them a special authority – that of honesty. Personally, that’s enough for me.

